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Kenshin Himura:
Why do you need a new flu vaccination each year if the virus is not evolving?
Shouldn’t a single shot at birth be sufficient?
Evolution is the change in DNA from one generation to the next
The only contention may be exactly what the lineage is for each species. I.e. Human Evolution may be sketchy, but it did occur.
Reference thid Q:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=Ahr2ArGareSF81DDSYj_9Lbsy6IX?qid=20070615190856AAnvGl6&show=7#profile-info-5e171558491842a408b82affea576b29aa
My point is this: If evolution is the survival of the fittest (please don’t tell me this pillar of evolution has now changed), why on earth would an evolutionist consider he is evolutionally defective by submitting to a flu vaccine?
or for that matter any type of vaccination?
Is this not tantamount to an admission in doubt of evolutionary laws?
By default, the teaching of evolution is that only the fittest lifeforms survive, so why is it that people feel regrets if those that have defects suffer and die?
Is not this just evolution in action?
So in that line of reasoning, why do we have hospitals? Really would not it be cheaper and less a burden on society if we turned the evolutionally defectives out on the street?
BY the laws of survival of the fittest, why should you feel sorry for them?
Is it not their fault they are dying?
My whole point is that, a medical system with healthcare hospitals and soctors and such is contray to the concept of evolution.
If the person is weak, gets sick or has a terminal illness, why is it that you desire to cure them?
Evolutionally speaking, they are naturally being sellected to die.
So what would motivate you to interfere with nature?
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19 Responses so far to "If evolution is the survival of the fittest than does this evolutionists argument hold water?"
December 18th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
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The flu and other viruses are also evolving along with us.
If you are asking why we don’t let survival of the fittest run it’s corse, it’s because we decided to to prolong our lives. It doesnt’ discredit evolution.
December 18th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
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Evolution does not protect against new flu viruses.
December 21st, 2010 at 8:55 pm
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Actually, it seems to me that a person who believed that evolution is still ongoing would WANT to get updated vaccines, since he/she believes that new and more dangerous bugs are constantly coming out.
December 25th, 2010 at 6:49 am
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He is saying that viruses evolve so they can overcome vaccinations. Humans have also evolved to be able to invent new vaccinations every year. If the viruses win out and humans cease to exist, that is part of evolution, too, since extinction of one species opens up opportunities for more fit species to take their place.
What’s the problem?
December 25th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
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He has not been exposed to the new strain of influenza.
Also, evolution occurs via birth…and he didn’t get born a second time, so it wouldn’t work. The flu, however, had several and/or HUNDREDS of generations to adapt.
December 27th, 2010 at 12:48 am
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ya got me. why would he?
December 28th, 2010 at 10:03 am
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Actually, no.
First, you have to consider that microorganisms mutate faster because their life expectancy is much shorter.
But you will never see a strain of bacteria or other microorganism “evolve” into anything but what it was originally. You will see it “adapt” but not “evolve” into another species. That’s the fallacy of evolution.
December 30th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
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Straw man retard!
You should post these in Biology section. Obviously you are not looking for an answer.
And all you are doing is copy-pasting. Your every question is load of copy-pasted crap from creationist websites.
Think of your own pal, grow up!
December 30th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
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DARWINIAN evolution is NOT of the FITTEST
but of NATURAL SELECTION
That indicates a CHOICE
A CHOICE indicates INTELLEGENCE
NATURE chooses THIS ONE over THAT ONE for a LEGITIMATE REASON
It has nothing to do with being BUFF or VEGAN or ARNOLD or HE MAN and SHE RA
It has to do with NATURE, making a choice!
NATURE, has the RIGHT to chose a FEEBLE MINDED
YOu ready to take NATURE ON
You ready to ARGUE with NATURE over that CHOICE
January 1st, 2011 at 2:16 am
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well, eugenics, if we gave it a chance, evolution will hold water… although many consider eugenics immoral..
we cant stop evolution, we are in fact helping some diseases become stronger. but that’s just we dont want to see ourselves better faster(by taking antibiotics) whatever you say, whether we are swimming against the tide, evolution still occurs
January 1st, 2011 at 5:31 am
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You might want to look up what evolution actually is, instead of using the pop culture simpleton definition. Also, you might want to look up what a vaccine actually does.
January 4th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
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Fittest doesn’t just mean strongest, it also can includes brains, immune system, etc. The one who is too dumb to protect himself via vaccination is, no matter how strong otherwise, not as evolutionarily fit as the milqtoast who is smart enough to vaccinate.
By the way, that “piller” of evolution has changed. Even when asking people not to use the truth against you in an agrument you still only came up with a straw qeustion.
January 6th, 2011 at 1:45 am
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Actually i am not sure of the question. But you showed that even nonliving non cellar units are evolving.
January 6th, 2011 at 5:21 am
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My, you do wander, sweetie…. Evolution is not the survival of the fittest, it is the survival of the most adaptable, given the environment that an organism is in… This “pillar of evolution” has not changed, you just don’t have it interpreted correctly. For lots more information, read the book, “Why Darwin Matters” by Michael Shermer…. this ought to help you understand the theory a bit better…and make your next question less confusing…
Good luck
January 7th, 2011 at 9:34 am
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“survival of the fittest” is environment specific. Those who survive are the best suited for that environment. All life evolves. Even viruses. Since the flu vaccination changes the environment of the flu virus, the virus adapts to survive in its environment. Humans evolved an immune system to deal with viruses, it is not perfect, but it does keep healthy adults from getting sick much of the time.
If the virus didn’t evolve so quickly (every few years) humans would be able to adapt to it. However, human evolution is much much slower than the viruses.
January 9th, 2011 at 9:26 am
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Humans have this thing about keeping as many people alive as possible. It does go against evolution, but they don’t seem to care about that.
January 9th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
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You write cold and callously of survival of the fittest. What if you where a flaw and you did not deserve to survive? What if you are left out of the group and declared mentally unfit or emotional dysfunctional? I can assure you the human race’s history is littered and tainted with such cold callous thinking of a super,perfect race or beings. How about you be thankfull that you have your good health and body? How bout you thankfull that we evolved into thinkers, and doers? Thankfull that the battle of determining fitness of survival is not really in our hands it is a good day when someone survives something that could take their lives. It is a part of human nature to have compassion and to care for things weaker than us. The point is that if you exist already and have fought so hard to become you have already won the battle and deserve to be cared for and loved. So, evolution holds water to a point and that point is up to whatever you are made of.
January 9th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
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No, it doesn’t. You are right. It makes no sense. Evolutionist atheists cannot live a consistent life. If we are all just a cog in the Evolutionary machine, then why do any of us mourn death & suffering? If Evolutionists were to be consistent, they would be very unfeeling indeed. Their anti-God philosophy of the world has no foundation for compassion. Ironically, all their complaining about an uncompassionate god becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as demonstrated by any number of Communist regimes.
Have you ever read Nancy Pearcy’s “Total Truth”? Ironically (because of the title), I don’t at all agree with her Christianization of Intelligent Design (biblically speaking that’s not part of the total truth she so elequently builds up in the first part of the book), but most of her other points speak exactly to what you’re talking about.
I know this is beside your main point, but mutation is not a sufficient mechanism for Evolution. As an example, if you think about the fact that most of those with the mutation called Down’s Syndrome are sterile, how would that work?
A certain bug’s antibiotic resistance is not an example of Evolution (which would necessitate the net GAIN of information), but it displays natural selection (which is actually the net LOSS of information). Because we are fighting against it, (putting that inconsistency you mention aside for the moment), it looks like they’re winning, so gee, they must be evolving despite our efforts. But in reality, they only appear to become stronger precisely because there’s less & less diversity in a population each time they become resistent.
January 9th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
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HE HE!
apparently the atheists can not answer such a question.
Was not the point of the question, why do atheists seek medical attention when evolution should provide it’s natural selection to ensure the most equipped (by nature) to endure such illnesses be the ones to live, while those who fall down under virulent attack be termed “evolutionarily challenged” and be allowed to get sick and die?